what next??? ideas?

[mark anthony]

After fixing my not so fast scooby, i am now looking for my next phase. it is my intention to reach 300bhp this year and i realise that there are several ways to do.
i am currently the very proud owner of a uk turbo sportwagon (my99), my only mods are a GFB dump valve, Buddyclub catback exhaust and blitz panel filter. It is already fitted with STI spec suspension and brakes with braided hoses and grooved discs.
Do i go down fuel pump, defender, boost controller etc or any alternative ideas?? any pitfalls to watch for?? tell me more folks please!!
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[scoobyDAZZA]

300bhp will mean changing your turbo
IMO a 280 bhp scoob using a td04 will feel better than 1 using a td05

320bhp would be nice though ;)

right, for 320 ish

vf24,28 or 34 turbo
walboro 255 lt/ph fuel pump
ngk pfrb7 spark plugs
3-port boost solenoid
decat down-pipe , H+S 3" open neck
tek 3 remap by BOB RAWLE in swindon
550cc injectors

bish bosh 320 ish BHP

a good idea to help the cooling would be a better top mounted intercooler , 1 from an STi7 or 8 would be ideal . . . or even better, get a front mount.
here's my engine mods and it gets just under 350 bhp and 350 torque

IHI VF 34 ROLLER BEARING TURBO
K+N 57i
550CC INJECTORS
GT SPEC HEADERS , WRAPPED
H+S DOWNPIPE OPEN NECK 3"
REVOLUTION 3" DECAT SYSTEM
NGK PFB7R SPARK PLUGS
WALBORO FUEL PUMP , 255 LT/PH
AUTOBAHN 66 FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER
RE-MAPPED FOR OPTIMAX BY BOB RAWLE DEVELOPMENT
3-PORT BOOST SOLENOID

[mark anthony]

well, iwent to see the nice boys at hyeline and chatted and we came up with a plan to get 280bhp or there abouts!! any comments would be welcome.....please

blitz spec s boost controller and hks fcd
hks front pipe
hks afr
magencor 8.5mm leads
hks iridium sparks
210 lph fuel pump

for about 1500 quid including pre and post rolling and labour.

is this worth it??

[bob]

No I would say not. Downpipe fuel pump and MBC will do the same job and all for under £500.
See Daz post for the best way to go about it.
Better off with tubby, injectors, fuel pump, downpipe and mapping (Tec3.)

[mark anthony]

sorry to sound thick, what do you mean by an MBC???

and who can do this type of work for that price??

cheers

[beachsleeper]

MBC = Manual boost controller

:smile: :smile:

[bob]

sorry to sound thick, what do you mean by an MBC???

and who can do this type of work for that price??

cheers

Someone like Derek or Olly could do this with there eyes closed...Try PM ing them and ask if they will do it for you. At a small price...:wink:

[Agent Smith]

£2500.00

That small enough?

[mark anthony]

£2500.00

That small enough?


v funny. that is still too big for me!!!

seriously, i want to do this in stages properly, stage 1 is to achieve 300bhp (or thereabouts). stage 2 (in a years time or so) is to achieve 400bhp. So whatever i do now i dont want to have to undo at a later stage......does this change things??/

[bob]

If the case is your looking for 400 bhp at sometime...See ScoobyDazzas post but instead of TEC 3 a stand alone ECU will be required Motec, Gems, Altronic, Link.
The Turbo will also have to be larger TD05/6 20g should get about 400ish Could even go larger to make sure. Injectors will also have to be larger than the 550's.

[scoobyDAZZA]

400 bhp ?

you got 20k to spend ?
you'll need it

and the best HT leads for a scooby are genuine subaru items
i do have the magnecor 8mm , but only cuz i like the colour lol

[Neil G]

I would have thought 20k would net you well over 400bhp

[Olly P]

Start with:
Put in a boost guage.
Fuel pump (do a search for the right one)
De-cat the exhaust (both of them)
Manual boost controller. (You need the boost guage to set this up)
Do not use an FCD (fuel cut defender/defencer) above the fuel cut the ecu has no map which means its guessing how much fuel to put in, and that leads to bang, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle.
I wouldn't do anything else until I could afford management, and you'll be hard pressed to beat the Apexi Power FC on price and performance. Its about 800 fitted and mapped, I think.
To comfortably get 300 I would change to a VF28/34 (or similar) series turbo. They are roller bearing so spool quickly but are capable of 350 ish bhp.
And fit the Power FC.

For 400bhp
Forged bottom end. (pistons, rods, crank)
Bigger fuel pump (Bosch)
Bigger injectors (740's?)
Big Rotated turbo.
Big clutch
6 Speed or PPG gearsets
Front mounted Intercooler
Theres probably more....

[scoobyDAZZA]

I would have thought 20k would net you well over 400bhp


without a doubt

but i'm including strong rebuild,brakes,suspension,gearbox,clutch,gauges,ty res etc etc etc

gearbox alone stood me nearly 3k

[Neil G]

Yeah....I think supporting mods are essential.

No point in having 400bhp if it's going to lunch the gearbox & driveshafts is there.

[mark anthony]

Yeah....I think supporting mods are essential.

No point in having 400bhp if it's going to lunch the gearbox & driveshafts is there.

i agree entirely, going for 280 interimly, then moving on to suspension, brakes and gears this year.......
then back to more power next year, funds dictating. my estimate is about 5k total spend this year in bite size chunks.
god knows what i,m gonna spend next year...... but hey all i want to do is smile when i get in and i am..... so what the hell, its only money and you cant take it with you!!
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[Neil G]

Sounds like a good plan....a 280bhp car with a good suspension setup and brakes should enable you to have the confidence to use lots of the available power:smile:

[Dr.Scoob]

I'd second that. Good brakes and suspension are worth about 100 bhp in in an a-b race imho

[scoobyDAZZA]

i got 450 bhp then
:lol:

5k will certainly get you going
i started with that , then another 5 , then another 5 ,lol
17 - 18 k in total and still only 350 bhp on standard internals
wish i could start again tbh

[mark anthony]

i got 450 bhp then
:lol:

5k will certainly get you going
i started with that , then another 5 , then another 5 ,lol
17 - 18 k in total and still only 350 bhp on standard internals
wish i could start again tbh

pmsl. i think i have got the same bug/virus as you scoobydazza!!

And to think, i only got a scooby coz a mate took me out in his classic last year. was a through and through biker before this!! Anyhow am now on a mission to have one of the finest 5dr scoobies around!!!

[Neil G]

i got 450 bhp then
:lol:

5k will certainly get you going
i started with that , then another 5 , then another 5 ,lol
17 - 18 k in total and still only 350 bhp on standard internals
wish i could start again tbh

Blimey...that is a lot:eek:

I'm looking at buying a second car soon as a bit of a project but it's going to be old and cheap:smile:

[scoobyDAZZA]

resurecting an old thread here


mark , i take it your motor has gone pop

rather than spend £xxxx to get 300 bhp now, then £xxxx next year to get 400
you would be wise to do alot of work all at once to save labour charges
everytime an engine is removed and refitted your looking at £750 ish on labour alone

consider this
2.0 closed deck block OR 2.5 semi closed
uprated pistons,rods,bearings, crank(on 2.0)
fuelab pressure regulator
walboro fuel pump
RCM oil pump
550cc injectors(good for 420ish bhp) , 450 if pressure reg is tweaked ;)
FMIC
K+N57i
TEK3 , can be used for 400+ bhp , no need for aftermarket ecu , so i've been told by many top tuners, including bob rawle,mark aigin and alan + martyn jeffery.

then it's down to the turbo for your power goals
i am getting an MD321T from lateral performance, good for 450/450 . £1300 ish
or a td05/20g , good for 385/385 . . £1000

try Mark at lateral performance , he has helped me out loads in the past fortnight . .

[bob]

Agree with all Daz say's...The values of air flow through the MAF can be altered with Tek3 on a 99 scoob. Think some are getting mixed up with your motor as its an S reg so peeps belive its 97-98 model..but you have stated perviously its a 99 model. The 99 MAF is not too strong and the first thing I done when tuning was to remove the Maf and get aftermarket ECU but as Daz states you can Tec 3 the 99 and take the chance on the maf.

[scoobyDAZZA]

or fit 1 from a zx300

martyn and alan know more about this than me as they just fitted 1 to an my96

[lowtidecopey]

whats BOB RAWLE in swindon like i heard you mention him have you got a contact email adress iv got a 1996 import thinking about getting it mapped and a new ecu i would have to cause mine isnt mappable

[AutoMan]

Can't comment on Bob Rawle but we are closer to you and can offer a better level of service due to our £70,000 rolling road.....
www.enginetuner.co.uk (http://www.enginetuner.co.uk)

[bob]

whats BOB RAWLE in swindon like i heard you mention him have you got a contact email adress iv got a 1996 import thinking about getting it mapped and a new ecu i would have to cause mine isnt mappable

Bob Rawle is more a Tek 3 and Motec man...He has played with the Apexi ECU's the same as he has with all the stand alone ECU's but he tends to stick to Tek 3, Motec and Link.
AJ would be best for you...Close to you and does a very good deal on the Apexi.
Derek can get the Apexi quite cheap but you will still need a mapper. So AJ's deal is not far off the price of doing it seperatley. Plus you get the whole thing done at one time.

[lowtidecopey]

so is aj's a good place then i've heard alot about there sounds good?just need to no like before i make a desicion.cause a few people had cars tuned dare had engine problems after don't no how true it is?

[bob]

Every garage you go to you will have someone complain about the place..:rolleyes1: When having you car mapped ask what is a safe power to run. The amount of folks I see or hear about who want 400 bhp from a std scoob engine...It can be done easy enough but they are asking for problems...Drop in uprated pistons, crank, oil pump and rods change the turbo and injectors and 400 can be run and it would be safe...but its a question of how much you want to spend.
At AJ's www.enginetuner.co.uk you get a graph of how the car is performing. BHP and torque are all ok, but check the fueling and boost as this will show if the engine is running safe. I'm sure AJ will give you a very good quote on BHP and Torque before the motor is even done. If I were you I would phone AJ and ask a few questions....:wink:

[lowtidecopey]

yeah that sounds good i want safe horsepower if you get me so i no my engine will last how many miles should a scooby engine do before knocking the crank out or any other damage if its driven hard like 50%of the time

[bob]

Don't think its the mileage that knocks these cars out. Seen scoobs go bang with very little miles on um.. Not many P1's running with original engine, Tiley's had them stacked up changing engines all the time. Tiley recomended a remap for me but I sold the thing after a few months.
Old mucker I used to race with put 120k on his scoob then started tuning it. Had it at high power for another year before selling it and it still sounded like new even though it had done lots of track work and Exmoor runs. Most of this I put down to: The car did have a hard life but was never held above 100 mph for a long period. Sprints up to 130-140 yes but not held there. On my classic's I had inlet temp probe and could see the inlet temps rise so fast at anything above a ton.

[plumbscooby]

try martin at ajs m8 , hell answer any questions youve got .

[lowtidecopey]

this inlet probe where did you get that from i take it it was rigged up to a gauge?i've been looking for an inlet temp gauge and sensor for along time

[bob]

this inlet probe where did you get that from i take it it was rigged up to a gauge?i've been looking for an inlet temp gauge and sensor for along time

I got mine from GGR...You can get probes cheap at most electrical places.

Try this thread to see what can be done...

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/general-technical-10/540649-air-charge-temp-gauges-tmic-vs-fmic-comparison.html?highlight=temp+gauge