Will someone lend /rent me/ sell me there middle cat section- please read below-

[Jimmythebiz]

Hi there,
I have a 1998 WRX STI TYPE R 2 door, it was time for my first mot on Saturday since owning the car so i thought i better put the cat back on the down pipe (this was in the boot when i bought it) It had fitted a decat down pipe and a full Blitz Nur Spec R exhaust.
So i took it to the garage it passed on everything bar the exhaust emissions they were reading something like 1.19 and should of been reading 1.03?
The mechanic said at first buy this fuel cleaner from us take it for a run and then bring it back and we will retest so far £60 spent....no mot...
So i took it for a run for an hour and 15 and did the test again no different.
He then said my lamba sensor must be broken, and it needs to be replaced.
Now my question is did my car as standard come with a secondary cat in the mid-section or if i fitted one would it make a difference so i can my MOT and enjoy driving my car again (or be it being able to get to work)....
Or if it did work does anyone have one they could rent me for the test?


I am in Glastonbury somerset but am very willing to travel, just want my Scooby back

Thanks
Desperate James<!-- / message -->

[Olly P]

Normally speaking, it should fly through the emissions on the downpipe cat.
I took a 99 in with just a centre cat and although it needed warming up, it did pass. (cat had not been on a car for about a year.)
I have a centre cat, or alternative downpipe you can borrow.
I'm in weston-super-mud.

[Jimmythebiz]

Ohh Olly P that would be amazing if i could borrow your middle CAT i just want to get my car back on the road.

Is it fitted to your car at the moment or do you just use it for MOT's?

Do you think it would be worth while using both your cats then for certain it should pass...?

Is that okay with you?

Thanx So much
James

[Olly P]

No problem mate.
I actually have two catted centre sections, neither of which are on the car.
If you have the catted downpipe on already, I would leave it on.
Although you may want to try my catted downpipe, also not on the car, as I'm suprised it didn't pass on that alone.
Let me know when you want to come down, I'm around most of the time.
Can fit it too if you need it.

[scoobyDAZZA]

the back box from a nur spec R will not fit the standard section as the flanges are half inch difference , he'd need a standard BB as well...

[beachsleeper]

I would of thought it would pass with a catted down pipe?

[Broxi]

iirc Jacqui said on the old forum the Club had one that could be used by members.

[S.P]

We Have A Middle Section With Cat Available For Use For Members To Use Contact Me On 07765101651

[Jimmythebiz]

So in that case do i have to blag a backbox as well?
Does anyone have a standard one lying around!

Thanks again for all your help!!
James

[Olly P]

yep.

[Jimmythebiz]

Hey there people,

Thank you for all your help!
Olly P is going to lend me what turns out to be a whole exhaust system for my car for the MOT.

Both cats and a backbox....lol
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

I cant wait to get my car back on the road.

I will keep you all posted.
Thanx again

James

[beachsleeper]

Olly P, Saves the Day. :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

[Neil G]

Good to see my old exhaust is coming in handy:smile:

[Olly P]

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Actually James has my original BB and a centre cat I had previously.
Neil, your centre pipe was rattling so we didn't want to risk it being the cat.
Your downpipe doesn't have the lambda boss in it so that was no good to him.
So I've got early and late classics covered.:cool:

[Jimmythebiz]

:j_sad: lol....i am gutted just come back from the MOT place and its still high on the lamba sensor reading, and thats with 2 cats and a standard back box.

It must be the lamba sensor, or i hope it is...
Does anyone know where to get one from?
I have tried the local parts places in glastonbury and they havent got anything listed....so open to any suggestions?

Any help would be great or anymore suggestions, the only thing i can think of is that some times when driving there is a whistling sound which is like blowing over a milk bottle- read before somewhere that this could be the recirc dump valve- if it had gone weak would this cause me these problems?

Note to Olly P- Thank you for letting me borrow the cats etc, can i borrow them for another week...lol :giggle:

Thank you
James

[Broxi]

A universal lamba will do, check if you have a 2 or 3 wire lamba sensor, iirc it should be a 3 wire one. just cut the wires on the original one and connect to them, leaving the connector in place.

However i have a spare one from a 93 classic. lying around my garage somewhere.

[Jimmythebiz]

Hey thanx Derek, yeah its a 3 wire one, it has two white wires and a black one.

I didnt know you could get universal ones?

Do i need to know any values of resistance etc?

Thank you
James

[Broxi]

aparently not.

i bought a universal one for about £40 a while ago for a Vauxhall, two white and 1 black wire.

i would check with a multi- meter and write down which is positive, negative etc.

Derek

[scoobyDAZZA]

i'd try a different MOT station
99% of scoobs will pass with just the centre cat let alone down-pipe as well.

make sure they're both hot, that will help as well.

[Jimmythebiz]

lol...yeah i took her for a good burn around first about 30 mins of mixed driving, couldnt go to far as the tax ran out end of april and need my mot to get the tax...:action-smiley-060:


Just found this site here:

http://www.cats-direct-shop.co.uk/lambda-sensors.php

So i am gonna buy the four wire one and earth it straight to the body/battery...cos heard someone say that the 3 wires earth through the threads....

What do you all think?

[bob]

Could you just not use someone elses Lambda for the MOT...Could be spending money on something you do not need...:rolleyes1:

[Jimmythebiz]

Well if anyone has a working lamba sensor they wanna lend me...lol
Mine is a 3 wire version with a white rectangular connector on it.

Made by bbi lic.bosch A24-A71 028 83020

X

[tiny]

http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_O23WIRE.html

3 wire lambda`s available here too

[Jimmythebiz]

Ohh..wicked i wish i saw that web site first, just ordered a four wire one from the other site i mentioned before.

I got the four wire one so that i can run a seperate earth, just elminates another problem in my mind.

Cant help that thinking i might need to try a different ecu because i think mine was mapped heavily by the owner before the last.

I spoke to the previous owner about how he got it though before and he said he went to a 'flexable' garage.

Do you universal lambas do the job okay then?

Thanks
James

[S.P]

no probs mate - we have the down pipe as well

[Jimmythebiz]

Just cant wait to get the sensor so i can try it, shouldn't i of noticed anything wrong with my scoob though if the sensor has gone?

[tiny]

maybe erratic idle , not sure about anything else

[Jimmythebiz]

The 2nd from last previous owner spent a lot of money on my car, full rebuild, blitz nur spec r exhaust, front mounted full length Pace intercooler and aluminum radiator, twin fans. Exhaust manifolds shortened and balenced, Alluminum hard pipe kit with silicone hoses. HKS Filter, Iridium plugs, It was then remapped to echo all of these mods.

Could the remap on the ecu be causing the car to run high on the lamba readings?

Thanks
James

[bob]

Oh yes without a dought. This is why buying parts and guessing whats wrong could end up expencive. ECU MAF LAMBDA all could give high CO2 readings. A good Rolling Road will tell you the problem in no time..and if its mapping they should be able to tweek it. Is it TEC3? or aftermarket ECU.

[Jimmythebiz]

Yeah you absolutely right!

Who do you guys trust for a roling road dianostic then?

My co readings are fine its just the lamba reading.

Thanks
James

[scoobyDAZZA]

interpro in thornbury,bristol.
powerstation,tewkesbury.

or try Bob Rawle if it's tek 3 , he does it on the real road.

[bob]

Just noticed you have a 98 model which does not support Tec 3 so if it is mapped which ECU have you got?
Differant Rolling Roads Map and favour differant ECU's. If it has not been mapped see Dazza's advice. Interpro may be nearest to you.

Its usually the CO reading that fails the MOT. Readings from up the Exhaust..:wink:

[scoobyDAZZA]

it's a V5 bob iirc

so it is tek 3able :)

oooops , my bad , , he says type R
doesn't actually say which version but 98 is T reg innit
same as yours Bob

[bob]

98 is R reg daz.well Phil type r's is and V4. The first tec 3 was 99 V5 as was mine.

[Jimmythebiz]

Hi guys thanks for all your help, just looked at the ecu and its a 75? Does that mean anything to you guys?

Also i thought at the same time i would look at my maf and found this unconnected sensor, and for the life of me i could not find where it goes, any help would be excellent!

My car is listed as a 1997 Type R but components on the car are stamped 1998 and the log book doesnt help as it says its a subaru gl 1.6...doh..

Just on the subject of log books...i have a pajero and it says on that log book that its a motorcarvan..:action-smiley-060:

Thanks
James

[Agent Smith]

the different models ie:-GL if something to do with the importing bussiness,cheaper taxing i belive........

[Jimmythebiz]

lol...thought as much....any idea where that air flow sort of sensor goes?

[Agent Smith]

on my UK it sits in the pipe between the maf and the tubby entrance...(flexi 1)

[Jimmythebiz]

So yours fits in the flexi pipe featured in the attached pic?

I have taken this pipe off and checked it but theres no holes?

Could not having this fitted cause my lamba reading to be high?

[Agent Smith]

yup,its a good posibility,if i remember correctly it sits in the O/E air box!!!

[Jimmythebiz]

in that case if i drill a hole and stick it back in the pipe would it have to be before the entrance to the maf or after?

Could i have the wrong hks induction kit for my car then?

Thanks
James

[Agent Smith]

before the maf...

not too sure,about the HKS range, do know K&N have a punch hole in their filters so the sensor will fit,mate of mine cable tied it to the IK!!! it worked ok....

[Jimmythebiz]

Sorry don't think me dumb but what is IK an abriviention of?

[Agent Smith]

inducton kit,sorry mate assumed you knew...

[Jimmythebiz]

Just worked it out induction kit- doh i am stupid...so he cable tied it to the outside of the iduction kit?

[Agent Smith]

yeah,seemed to work,try it and see what happens......

[Jimmythebiz]

Do you know what the sensor does and what it is called?
And thank you for your help!

[Agent Smith]

not too sure but i think its the airtemp sensor...

not a problem

[Jimmythebiz]

Hey Thank you for all your help tonight..I hope i can fix all the faults making her have a high lamba reading so i can get an mot on her, its getting quite depressing now not being able to drive her.
Still i hope the universal lamba sensor gets here soon so i can try that and get her back in the mot station, then after that its swap the maf, then ecu and then thats me out of ideas...

Thanx again
James

[Agent Smith]

no a prob mate,i'm about if you need anymore assistance,hope she gets sorted soon....

[bob]

This is an air temp sensor. With cars that have a aftermarket induction kit the air temp sensor is taped or placed as close to the filter inlet as posible. Does not need to be inserted into the pipework just close to filter.

[Agent Smith]

thanks bob,had a feelin it was...

[Jimmythebiz]

So where do you reckon the best place to put it on mine would be dur to it have a HKS dome filter then? As its domed it would be hard to put it anywhere?

[Agent Smith]

try strapping it to the front edge of the filter....

[bob]

try strapping it to the front edge of the filter....

As mine was....It only measures the temp of air entering the filter system.

[Agent Smith]

not bad for a chef eh??

[bob]

not bad for a chef eh??

Doing very well M8.. Tech advisor job still going....:wink:

[Jimmythebiz]

Excellent...well i will get the tape and cable ties out tommorow and that will be one problem sorted...just onto the next..lol :smile:

[Agent Smith]

Doing very well M8.. Tech advisor job still going....:wink:

you recon bob??:cool:

[Jimmythebiz]

So whats a 75 type ecu then are they remapable? Or any good?

[Agent Smith]

hope it does get sorted jim.......nothin worse than havin a tool and not bein able to use it.


So whats a 75 type ecu then are they remapable? Or any good?

not too sure about that1,bob will know for sure....

this might help...
http://www.ecutek.co.uk/

[scoobyDAZZA]

Just on the subject of log books...i have a pajero and it says on that log book that its a motorcarvan..:action-smiley-060:



my pajero says it's a convertible on the log book lol

yer right

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dazza1802/pajlights002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dazza1802/dirty004.jpg

also, run a check on the DVLA website and it says unknown :annoying_cut:
then how come they just sent me the V5 , tw@s lol

[Agent Smith]

gavos WRX is a GL according to them!!!

[Jimmythebiz]

Going to try the ecu diagnostic mode tonight and see if that shows anything up at all.

I know it probably wouldn't show up the lamba sensor but would it show up an error with my MAF?

Should we be worried that are cars are registered as the wrong things?

[Agent Smith]

no need to worry about the registering bud....

maf should show up...

[scoobyDAZZA]

gavos WRX is a GL according to them!!!


thinking about it , my mate,steve,with the silver cusco wrx is registered as an STi

he likes it but he's probably paying an extra 100 quid insurance :eek:

[Jimmythebiz]

Right interesting news- just done the ECU check and i am getting a 32 ERROR A/F Sensor #1/#2 System.

Is this the air flow meter? Or does A/F mean something else?

And;
Would this be put out by a faulty lamba sensor?

Any help would be great.

Thanks
James

[Olly P]

Yep , thats the maf.
Is that the only one you are getting?

[Jimmythebiz]

Yeah it only displaying that code over and over again, unless i have to press a button to make it move on to the next?

Just did some more research and 32 is also the OXYGEN SENSOR - i am correct in thinking that?

[bob]

32=OXYGEN SENSOR/LAMBDA

To Check...

http://www.saxonfields.freeserve.co.uk/Scooby%20Page/ECU%20Diag%20Page.htm

Maf is 23.

You should have 3 long dashes and 2 short dashes for LAMBDA.
Or is it 2 long dashes and 3 quick dashes as thats MAF.

[Jimmythebiz]

Its definetly 3 long flashes and 2 short flashes.

Just to stop me going crazy can a classic subaru run with out a working lamba sensor- does it just use a preset map with out changing values?
Cos surely i should of noticed something?

So on the agenda now is the lamba swap sensor with the universal one i got today :smile: and then i will do a ecu reset and try a drive around and see if it comes back..sound good?


Thanks Guys yet again for helping me out you have all been great!

[Agent Smith]

just a case of trial and error,test drive gently,thats my advice.....

[bob]

Its definetly 3 long flashes and 2 short flashes.

Just to stop me going crazy can a classic subaru run with out a working lamba sensor- does it just use a preset map with out changing values?
Cos surely i should of noticed something?

Got it right in one go...:wink:

Last time I had my remap by Bob Rawle my lambda was cross threaded when trying to remove it, for bob to fit his wide band sensor. Bob found an old Lambda that did not work so fitted it and cut the wires leaving the conection cable taped up. He told me the ECU would work on MAP and I might get the light in but the Lambda also does other things so fit one when you can. Drove round for about 2 months before remembering to get a new one, light still never came in. Fitted new one and the car sailed through the MOT even without Cats....

[Jimmythebiz]

Thanks Bob, that helps make scence of it all now!

Just thinking do i fit the universal sensor i have got or get a proper subaru bosch one...what do you guys think, are the universal ones much cop or are they rubbish?

[bob]

Thanks Bob, that helps make scence of it all now!

Just thinking do i fit the universal sensor i have got or get a proper subaru bosch one...what do you guys think, are the universal ones much cop or are they rubbish?

Now you have it try it and see....:wink: Myself I only use Subaru stuff but no harm in trying it...:smile:

[Agent Smith]

all depends on the manufacture profile as to wether its any good or not,most copys do the trick, at half theO/E cost...

[Jimmythebiz]

The one i bought is made by FUELPARTS - www.fpuk.co.uk (http://www.fpuk.co.uk) costed £30ish notes delivered.
Its a lot smaller in profile than the original Subaru one.

Anyone used one of these before?

[Agent Smith]

not personally,have heard good feed back on their products...

[bob]

There are so many differant types out there...Its worth a try though...

[Jimmythebiz]

Right universal four wire lamba sensor fitted-fouth wire earthed to chasis.....did a ECU reset and then drove up and down the road near me for ten mins, got back checked the fault codes and got the all clear...should i of given longer for the error code to reappear?

So far so good, seams to be running okay too...(lol i hope)..

Mot is booked in on friday so fingers crossed.

[Agent Smith]

nice 1 bud.....

[shotgun]

Hi,just to add info for future ref... some garages can put your scooby through an exemption on the emissions test due to if it is an import. Also if you do replace cats and down pipes for mot make sure you do this about a month b4 your test as they will never read right unless they have had good time to settle again.
Hope this helps for future... Shotgun

[bob]

Good luck this time..

[Jimmythebiz]

D day today, i am bricking it, started it last night letting it idle for a bit then did the ECU check.

All okay.

Only problem now is that my insurance is now due...renewal is £1740 ouch!!!

[scoobyDAZZA]

£1740 for a 38 year old

you got 11 points and park it on the street with no alarm and do 100,000 miles a year ?

if not, then shop around bud , , try warwick davis ;)

[bob]

D day today, i am bricking it, started it last night letting it idle for a bit then did the ECU check.

All okay.

Only problem now is that my insurance is now due...renewal is £1740 ouch!!!

Good luck hope all goes well... BTW I could insure 4 WR1's for the price you have been asked....:eek:
As Daz says shop around....:wink:

[Mr H]

:annoying_cut:
D day today, i am bricking it, started it last night letting it idle for a bit then did the ECU check.

All okay.

Only problem now is that my insurance is now due...renewal is £1740 ouch!!!
:annoying_cut: christ ime 39 any only pay 424.00 with privilidge fully comp mods declared that is a obseen amount how come so much ?

[Agent Smith]

:11doh:
£1740 for a 38 year old

you got 11 points and park it on the street with no alarm and do 100,000 miles a year ?

if not, then shop around bud , , try warwick davis ;)

Dazza me old fruit,that 38 posts,not his age!!:11doh::lol:

[Jimmythebiz]

lol....

People we have sucess!!:party0010: :party0010: :party0010:
Just wanna say thank you all...for all your very much needed help!
South West Scoobies is a great club! :love0030:
cant wait to come see you guys at a meet! (U lot going to Jap Fest?)

As for the insurerence i am with Warwick Davis and my quote for this year has gone done by £500 quid to the total of £1740.

I am 23 and did have 6 points...now have got 3- but the others are still on my licence. I have 5 years no claims too.

I had a 300zx 3 litre Twin Turbo manual before my Scoob and that cost only £600 to insure, so when i looked into buying a scoob i looked at the wrx sti's and got a quote for one of those £1200, i thought double but its a hell of a car....then i found my Type R and bought it...then thought cant be too much more....doh!!!! It was loads more than a WRX STI..but i had the car then and didnt want to sale it- so out came mr.Visa card.

Gonna try Gary Moulton tommorow morning....

Thanks again all you lot!

And Olly P -Special thanx for you mate- I will bring your exhausts over soon!

[Agent Smith]

well done, mate.......

[scoobyDAZZA]

:11doh:

Dazza me old fruit,that 38 posts,not his age!!:11doh::lol:



he's 39 now :annoying_cut:

i knew really ed , i was just testing and loads fell for it
:lol:



:scared0018: :innocent0009:

[Jimmythebiz]

Thanx Mate cheers for your help!

[Agent Smith]

he's 39 now :annoying_cut:

i knew really ed , i was just testing and loads fell for it
:lol:



:scared0018: :innocent0009:


:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

yeah right!!!..

[scoobyDAZZA]

little secret here

if you go to the ultimate jap car club site and register as an ultimate member, think its about £20 a year, warwick-davis give good discount.
you will have a card and number from UJCC , quote that to warwick and wait for the saving ;)
my scoob, all mods declared is under 500 quid, 36,full NCB,garaged etc
just insured a pajero as my 2nd car with no ncb, norwich union wanted over 800
warwick quoted me 247 :)