Help Help Help!!!!turbo Blown...

[BOOSTED1]

:mad:
JUST BEEN FOR AN ECUTEK RE-MAP IN MY 2001 WRX UK CAR AND BEEN TOLD THE TURBO IS KNACKERED. IT HAD A DOWNLOAD AND MADE 266BHP (1.25 BOOST) TOLD THERE WAS A PROB AS SHOULD HAVE MADE 280 BHP WHEN RAN AGAIN THE ACTUATOR PIPE WAS CLAMPED OFF AN IT BOOSTED TO MAXIMUM OF 1.75.BAR HOW CAN THE TURBO BE BROKE? FUEL CUT? THE CAR HAS BEEN TOTTALLY DECATTED AND INDUCTION KIT. NO SMOKE ETC PULLS FINE. THE COST TO FIX IS £1300.00 FOR A VF 34 TURBO UPIPE FITTING ETC. I HAVE DONE ALL THE MODS MYSELF AND HAVE PERSONALLY CHECK THE PLAY AND SPAN THE TURBO A MONTH AGO. I NEED SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE TURBO BEFORE I GO AHEAD WITH THE WORK!!!!
HELP!!!PLEASE
BOOSTED

[BOOSTED1]

Just Been For An Ecutek Re-map In My 2001 Wrx Uk Car And Been Told The Turbo Is Knackered. It Had A Download And Made 266bhp (1.25 Boost) Told There Was A Prob As Should Have Made 280 Bhp When Ran Again The Actuator Pipe Was Clamped Off An It Boosted To Maximum Of 1.75.bar How Can The Turbo Be Broke? Fuel Cut? The Car Has Been Tottally Decatted And Induction Kit. No Smoke Etc Pulls Fine. The Cost To Fix Is £1300.00 For A Vf 34 Turbo Upipe Fitting Etc. I Have Done All The Mods Myself And Have Personally Check The Play And Span The Turbo A Month Ago. I Need Someone To Explain What Is Wrong With The Turbo Before I Go Ahead With The Work!!!!
Help!!!please
Boosted

[Broxi]

Did you ask the Garage to explain the problem with the Turbo?

If so what did they say?

If it is knackered, i would get one on eBay.

If you do want a New one i can get hold of a the following:


TURBO STI VF35 R/Brg 2002 Aust STI

Roller bearing assy suits Impreza MY97 (v4) onwards, up to and including 01 / 02 onwards, with direct turbo inlet path only. Directly bolts to exhaust manifold as well as exhaust pipe off turbo. Minimal modifications required to fit. Similar specification to VF30, however improved spool up time and LESS lag due to roller bearing design. This turbo is on the 2002 Sti RA type SPec C. For more data refer Turbo data sheets Specialist fitting required, gaskets not included.

it will cost. $1,374.06 Delivered which will work out around £583.307

i have been told the item can be marked as Replacement automotive parts. to prevent import duty & Vat.

Derek

[The Daddy]

sounds like boost controll or actuator.......

i have a nice vf22 (big mother-380hp turbo) for sale that is a direct fit.....

let me know if you are interested....

you should not get 1.75 bar with your ecu............

[Broxi]

Hi,

Please can you only make 1 Post on the Same Subject.

I have replied to this post in the Technical area.

And i am going to combine these posts with the others in the technical Forum.

Thanks
Derek

[BOOSTED1]

Stressed Out...think I Am Gonna Get My Car Back And Drive Around With 266bhp, No Smoke Etc Pulls Fine. Cant Afford It At Mo. Thanks For All Your Help.
Boosted

[AutoMan]

I would only expect to see 260-270bhp out of a WRX with an Ecutek remap and decat....At this level of performance and boost levels you are already running the injectors at 100%...So unless you have uprated the injectors I would leave it at that for a moment...I wouldnt suspect that there is anything wrong with your turbo based on the info you have provided....

[stormperformance.co.uk]

I would not have thought yours would be up to 280 either, I thought the PPP which is basically and ECUTEK remap in drag is only up to 260 BHP.

Can you pm with the name of the garage?

[Olly P]

My brothers wrx ran 292bhp at 1.2 bar on standard injectors.
My UK ran 285bhp at 1.1 bar on standard injectors.

[Olly P]

Those were on Unichips though, ours were too old for Ecutek

[beachsleeper]

Im running 270bhp. and Ive only part decatted.

03wrx

[stormperformance.co.uk]

I think >2001 wrx run different set up's to classics and yours are modified just a tweek aren't they?

[AutoMan]

The fact that they have produced that kind of power does not mean that your injectors arent maxed out....Ideally you should run your injectors at about 80%ish of their max...To have them at 100% all the time is chancing it a bit...Remember this is just my advice and you can chose to do with it as you wish...

[Olly P]

Nope sorry, I have great faith in the guy that mapped both the cars and theres no way in hell he would have had the injectors at 100%.

[stormperformance.co.uk]

Im running 270bhp. and Ive only part decatted.

03wrx

Sounds right to me 4 over his score with part decat.

Olly, isn't yours slightly modded? LOL and a classic.

Different Kettle and all that!

[AutoMan]

Quick apology to OLLY P didnt see your non Ecutek post until after I had written mine.....

[stormperformance.co.uk]

Olly, what spec is your car again, thought it ran very well at Haynes

[AutoMan]

We have to deal with specifics here and at 1.2 bar 2001 on WRX' s when checked with Delta Dash show 100% duty cycle on the injectors..5-10hp could be found depending on how lean the mapper has decided to set the mixture...Remember slightly richer may produce less power but will be safer long term....

[Olly P]

Ooops didn't realise it was a 2001.
Not sure how having it modified in any way will increase the headroom on the injectors, mine was on the standard FPR but an FSE fuel pump (similar to Walbro)

[Olly P]

:action-smiley-060: :getmecoat: Apologies to Automan didn't read the first post properly, thought it was a classic

[stormperformance.co.uk]

I didn't mean the injectors, but thought the FMIC (from memory??) would increase BHP?

[Olly P]

Olly, what spec is your car again, thought it ran very well at Haynes

The spec is a fair bit different now:
USDM 2.5sti shortblock
J.E forged pistons
Usdm sti rods
Usdm sti crossdrilled crank
Uprated oil pump
Standard UK heads
Sti injectors with custom fuel rails
FSE uprated fuel pump
Custom Front Mounted Intercooler, by Motorsport Fabrications
VF28 Turbo
Hayward and Scott Downpipe
Custom centre section and backbox, by Infinity exhausts
AP organic clutch
Blitz SUS Induction Kit
Blitz SSQV Dumpvalve (now removed)
Unichip piggyback computer
Forge alloy expansion tank
Apexi uprated Rad cap
Anodised oil filler cap
Various Samco hoses
Helix oil catch can

[Olly P]

I didn't mean the injectors, but thought the FMIC (from memory??) would increase BHP?

Yeah sorry I understand what you mean.:cool:
Ours were both on standard slanty top mounts for those figures.

[stormperformance.co.uk]

Very nice mate!
Can't wait to see it at Haynes.

Did you do most of the mods your self, and who are you thinking if getting it mapped by?

[Olly P]

Yep I do most of it myself.
The engine was built proffesionally(sp) by Interpro in Thornbury.
And I use Dave Griffiths from same company for the mapping.

[stormperformance.co.uk]

Any chance you could make it to the dyno day in April, would love to see how much yours puts out on a Dyno Dynamics.

http://www.southwestscoobies.org.uk/showthread.php?t=15&highlight=Alan+Jeffreys

[Olly P]

I will try.....I mentioned this to Dave and he thought it would be good to see how the rollers compare.

[stormperformance.co.uk]

go on, go on, go on.....

Hang on a minute Iv'e just had a Mrs Doyle moment.

[scoobyDAZZA]

why would a FMIC give more bhp than a TMIC ?

[AutoMan]

More efficient cooling....Although generally an increase in boost would need to coincide with this to make it really effective....

[stormperformance.co.uk]

why would a FMIC give more bhp than a TMIC ?

Did you mean TMIW ?

[BOOSTED1]

hi all,
Got the car back today after cancelling work have done 200 miles and the car is sweet.....pulls hard and nice an smooth......best it has ever been!!!! It is making 1 bar constant. There aint nothing wrong with it. I was told with up pipe and turbo (vf34) it would make 310 bhp on std injectors and fuel pump????? I am taking it someone else for a power run and diagnostics next week end. Still not gonna name names until then.....If i was been shafted i will let you guys know so it does not happen to anyone else. fairs fair!
Thanks for all your help and support
BOOSTED1

[scoobyDAZZA]

Did you mean TMIW ?


don't think so
but depends what the W stands for

i had 2 power runs with TM and 2 with FM
no other mods and the 4 readings were all very similar
between 338 and 348
the lowest and highest were on top mounts and the 2 in the middle were with the front mounts , 344 and 347

[BOOSTED1]

Just to clarify .....
it's a 2001 wrx i have done the following mods from std myself.
hay/scot full de-cat.turbo back.
ngk 7 spark plugs iridium.
std manifold and up pipe cat gutted out.
jetex panel filter
2.6x bigger than std TMIC (for when we have hot ambient summer days)
lowered 40mm
18" wheels
215/35/18 toyo proxes T1S
larger intake scoop.
STI spoiler and front/Rear strut braces.
Brembo front calipers and discs.
it made 266 bhp at flywheel and 174bhp at wheels (374nm of torque) .
I have spent the whole weekend either driving it or on the net researching forced induction engines particulary subaru's. At this moment in time i am happy that there is nothing wrong with my car at the the time of re-map i took my girlfriends car for a power run which is my old 200sx s14 which i owed for 6 years and that made 250bhp from exhaust and induction mods plus a tweak to 1bar boost.(Norris Designs package). So for the moment i am happy with my car and that maybe i was being led astray by pub talk power figures rather than drivability and reliabilty. I am going to get a second opinion from another RR quite far away and rest asssured if i was being shafted i will post.
.....I was told that "a map of 1.25 bar was downloaded and my car only made 1bar. then a second run with the actuator pipe clamped to enable it in-operative so the car would boost to maximum but it only made 1.75 bar. Hence your turbo is knackered we can upgrade and give you 310 brake with std injectors an std fuel pump for 1300 squids!!!
It's ok to use your car come back when you have the money.
RR is the closest to me!!!!and lots of u! i have done all the mods before re-map myself and today stripped the whole induction line and checked jubilees etc and no leaks.
just clearing up the situation as there have been alot of post on this.
BUSTED sorry no BOOSTED!. lol

[bob]

Not really understanding this... A turbo can boost to 1.7 bar at low revs but at 6000rpm may be out of puff and only give .7-1.0 bar.
If the car is mapped with 1.25 bar why is it only boosting to 1 bar. 1 bar is very low for a Tec 3, mine was mapped at 1.33 bar.
The problem with the place you took yours is they only give graphs with BHP and Torque. So you can see the bhp going up but as it drops you don't really know why. At SC you also get a fuel graph and boost graph and can see what is happening.
It just do not make sence to me that the car will boost to 1.7 yet a 1.25 map only gives 1 bar....are you only getting 1 bar right through the power run?
Or 1.25 up to certain revs then turbo drops off to 1 bar? or did the garage just put 1 bar of boost on the map as they think the turbo will not handle the 1.25.

See .org for more info....

If the turbo is on its way out.. Have a word with the daddy who will sale and fit turbo for less than half the price you have been quoted...

[AutoMan]

Having seen a few of these they all seem to have trouble holding more than a bar over 5500rpm on the standard turbo...Even with the wastegate duty cranked up to 100%......

[BOOSTED1]

Everything fine until drying home from nights this morning....when booting it the ecu light started flashing.As i can of the gas it went out. Pulled over and checked that the resistor fitted to the uppipe temp connections was still attached (temp sensor removed when upipe gutted). Started and ran fine (no light). Has done 1 other time car does not going into limp mode. Need to get it to another RR asap as all is obviously not well, but have committed to overtime all weekend....once again thanks for your help and support. ...will keep you all posted.
BOOSTED1

[Neil G]

Hope you get it sorted

[BOOSTED1]

I AM ONE HAPPY CHAPPY........my car is fine the good people at Power Engineering sorted it.......The turbo is in excellent condition now giving 280BHP 284 lbs/ft at 1.3 bar at 5500 rpm. after the map was replaced with a decent one!!!! The ecu light was on due to a faulty cam position sensor, duly replaced by PE today. They loaded a new map as the other one was rough.....installed a 2 boost facilty of hi/lo via heater switch. Chris the mapper was excellent. The bill was a couple of hundred squid, not £1300.00.......

***** EDITED BY ADMIN :Rules: *****




Once again thankyou to all those people that responded to my first thread when i was gutted. The info you guys gave me enabled me to resolve this by getting a second opinion. THANKYOU.
BOOSTED .

[tiny]

glad to hear all is ok mate

[Olly P]

Makes sense why my power figure was down at the RR at **, and was told my turbo was out of puff. Got consistent figures a number of times since then and the car has never "felt" any different.
Wanted me to buy a turbo from them I presume.

[BOOSTED1]

Seeems like it to me.....they either work or they dont...blue smoke and funny screeching noises usually indicate a prob..... I am gonna celebrate tonight with a few cheeky vimtoes......******** ********* were brilliant explained everything clear and concise and 2 boost levels are excellent. On low boost back down the motorway and high boost when off at Chipennham!!!

[bob]

Glad it all got sorted in the end..:cool:
Don't know if ******* ***** were trying to have you over or not.. I've only heard a few horror stories about ********* *****but then I hear them about all Scoob independant dealers as well as the proper dealers. I know BigBear had his scoob in with ****** *******for about 3 months waiting for work to be done. One morning he arrived with low loader took the car to Bob Rawle and it was back on the road by the end of the day...:rolleyes1:
***** *********** were almost bankrupt after the slagging they got on SN and had to move onto EVO's. *********were set to prosecute SN but SN then changed hands. I was one of the only ones that stood by ***** ***** As what was done to them was discusting.
********** had one of the worst names going a few years back think they were going bankrupt but a management change sorted that.
It does pay to know what you are talking about with these companies and if not take advice from forums and second opinions.
Still happy for you now M8 hope you enjoy the 280/280...:wink:

[Alan Jeffery]

Oh dear..
In all honesty, I doubt very much that anybody deliberately ignored a fault just to persuade someone to buy a turbo. such a risky strategy would be bound to fail.
Nobody can truthfully put hand to heart and say they never had a bad day, or made a bad call when faced with a choice. One bad day doesn't make a bad company, and Bob's statement backs that up.
When the medical profession does it, ( on a daily basis ) people die!

[bob]

Makes sense why my power figure was down at the RR at ******* *****, and was told my turbo was out of puff. Got consistent figures a number of times since then and the car has never "felt" any different.
Wanted me to buy a turbo from them I presume.


So want to buy a turbo Olly?:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: Think your turbo may very well be maxed out at higher rev's M8 but its not just the turbo you would have to get as you know.. ECU and Injectors will also have to be on the list...
Think most our readings were low at *********** but then I always have found **********to give low figs. Did notice ******'s figs were wrong think they had him at ***bhp at 8000...:hysterical: :hysterical: only rev's to 7000...and got him another rerun giving much better figs..Just one button pressed and it all goes ape sh1t..:wink:
I have only ever had suspension type mods done at**** *** but found them very good. It only takes one unhappy customer to spread the word and a company will loose tons of work because of it. I cannot think what has happened with Boosted but would not think ********* would delibratley tried to con him....

[stormperformance.co.uk]

Reading between the lines I think that the company in question made an error loading the map and then could not understand why the boost pressure could not be reached. Probably an honest mistake and not designed to fleece you.

[bob]

I quite often have meets with the some of the lads there. Also meet them at track days so will make some enquieries...
The CEL light coming on a day or two after mapping would not have anything to do with the mapping. The cam position sensor would not have been worked on. If this was the first time the CEL light came on then it would not be logged in the ECU so no one would know about it.

[BOOSTED1]

I am sorry but you werent there at PS, I am Jons partner I was, the guy loaded the map it took 10 minutes and that was it, no tweeking it at all, I saw the guy in action today at PE who took reading after reading to get it to run how he thought and expected it to run and it now does! The CEL light was on before we went to PS, and it was so called fixed, I think not! The guys at PE has re mapped his car and done him an A1 service, I would thoroughly recommend them, It wont end here!!!!

[BOOSTED1]

This is not how it should have been!!!!!!

[bob]

Did not know the CEL light had been on before going for mapping...but from what I have heard there has been some mistakes mapping the motor it is quite obvious. If one company can map the car but the first who you paid your licience fee with cannot I would say you are entitled to compensation. Would not think you would get the licience fee back from first company as it would have had to be paid anyway to Tec 3. I would try ringing the first mapping company asking for a refund due to them not being able to map the car properly or making some for of mistake.

[The Daddy]

this is confusing?????all the names are edited......

did you lasst go to power engineering to get it sorted???

[BOOSTED1]

Power Engineering sorted it. Just to confirm my Ecu light had been on for 6 months since i put the zorst on. I had no upipe sensor in and around the same time on boost the Ecu light would flash. I assumed due to this sensor. PS put a resistor across the connections. PE told me the flashing light then solid was the cam pos sensor. Replaced by PE has not come on yet........hope i never see it again........I would like a refund......it took me 6 months to clear my credit card of the zorst before i allowed myself to put the remap on......and prob another 6 months to clear that.
i am a Maintenance Engineer by trade and i have made a few mistakes in my time but i have always come clean and then spent the required time to rectify.....not 10 mins top. Another interesting thing is my boost gauge pipe (near the turbo) has been flattered by something resembling long nose pliers.......(i have recently put this in myself so no it was not there b4)
I was there it was not a simple mistake which i could forgive. It was a very good sales tactic of baffling me with science!!!! and i allowed my ego to be stroked chasing 310 bhp.

[BOOSTED1]

Following a post on same subject in subaru-impreza.org by PS.
At the time of posting i needed all the help i could get.....

I rang p********** this morning and i am stilling waiting for them to call back.....
My car cost £250.00 to sort at PE ........
I had not touched my car or anybody else.........due to being on Night shift or working Ot all of the week. The earliest oppurtunity was the following friday when i had finished nights and the car was taken to PE. If i had not gained info on here i would be a further £1010.00 out of pocket. You are the experts not me. I have not written to any mags or trading standards as i would rather put all this behind me.....my car is fine now and i just want to get on with enjoying it.....at one stage recently it was gonna be fixed and sold and a sensible car bought. You had my home number and mobile number and you could have contacted me at any time also................with regard to rough map.... I have overlay of curves before and after work at PE and in my opinion was is smooth and the other is not., that is my opinion not somebody else's . I apologise for that.
last post by me on this subject.
JON

[bob]

Been looking at the delta dash log of the power runs the mapper has supplied on .org. From the evidence it does look like your turbo would not boost and hold over 1 bar. Strange that PE managed to get the 1.3 and still cannot understand why. The only change that was made to the car between the two mapping sessions was the cam sensor as far as I know, now I'm not a mapper but wonder if this had anything to do with it.
Still you have saved £1300 by asking around must be worth it M8...:wink: I presume a new turbo would have been fitted at £1300 and then it would have be found the car still only boosted to 1.0bar wonder what would have happened then?

[The Daddy]

pe are the only peeps i would trust with my car.....

[BOOSTED1]

Car still fine. happy now. Learnt alot which is positive. I never set out to run a company car, I am happy with there explanation. Thanks to the use of forums i got the info i needed to make a decision for what to do with my car. Thanks to all those peeps that contributed.
.......for the the moment i happy with the power and enjoying it, i am glad i put the brembo's on!!......but we all now the cycle........will need full pump and injectors and uprated clutch next......arrrggghh! staying as it for now.................... BOOSTED